We Are The Largest Appliance PlaygroundIn Westchester County NY

☰ Menu

Archive for the ‘Sub-Zero’ Category

Review: Subzero vs Thermador Refrigerators – Curtos.com

Written by Appliance Dude | December 10th, 2016

The Appliance Dude reviews the SubZero 36″ French Door Fridge vs Thermador’s 36″ Offering

When customers visit Curto’s and are seeking a new refrigerator, more times than not they will walk out having purchased a french door refrigerator.


French door refrigerators are typically 36” wide (though it can also be 30” and 42”) with two adjacent doors framing the refrigerator and one pull out freezer door underneath.French door refrigeration is one of the most popular styles of refrigerator sold in the United States. The dual refrigerator doors have two succinct advantages:

  • you can use the full width (36” or 42”) for storage including larger items like trays or platters.
  • Since french door refrigerators have narrower fridge doors they are better for applications where an island is adjacent to the refrigerator and could potentially be impacted by the larger fridge door on a single-door 36”
  • For 30” standard depth and 36” standard and counter-depth refrigerators, the most popular models can be found from LG, Bosch, GE Profile and JennAir. These fridges would range in price from $1799 on the low side to a tick above $3000. For many years 36” wide and 72” high were the standard measurements for french door fridges. Then in the mid 2000’s the premium brands began to introduce french door styles at 36” or 42” and 84” in height.


    The first wave of these premium had one very noticeable holdout – SubZero. I took a trip to their factory in 2006 and asked their engineers if they were planning on introducing a french door refrigerator and they said they had not released one yet because they did not feel as if they had figured out certain intrinsic design flaws of the style (like the door gasket which did not allow for a tight seal) so they did not want to attach the SubZero brand to the product style until it could be improved. Their engineers were apparently working on something, because a short number of years later they introduced the BI36UFD/S, a 36” built in french door model.

    Picture of SubZero's BI36UFD/S/TH

    SubZero’s BI36UFD/S/TH



    One of the early adherents to the French Door style on a built-in premium fridge was Thermador. Known primarily as a cooking company, Thermador first introduced refrigeration in 2003-2004 (it was produced for them by KitchenAid/Whirlpool) and shorlty after their parent company opened a refrigeration plant in Turkey where columnar refrigeration for Thermador, Bosch, Gaggenau and Miele would be produced.

    Thermador's 36" French Door Fridge

    Thermador’s 36″ French Door Fridge



    Through the ensuing years Thermador has arguably done the best job at competing with Sub-Zero as they have not only been able to compete on price, but they have also focused on product innovation (they introduced the concept of columnar refrigeration back in 2006).

    TALE OF THE TAPE

    Thermador 36” French Door Specs:T36BT820NS

    FREEDOM® Hinge enables true flush design

    Full height door – True cabinet integration without exposed venting grille

    ALL LED sidewall and theater lighting

    Flat stainless steel door panels, pre-assembled

    Professional handles, pre-assembled

    Frame kit for flush installations (25″ deep cut-outs) or framed installations (24″ deep cut-outs) , pre-assembled

    Performance

    Dual compressor and dual evaporator

    Electronic controls for precise temperature management

    Full width meat drawer

    Carbon air filter reduces odors and keeps air clean and fresh

    Full length cantilever racks for ultimate adjustability

    Full width glass shelves with metal trim

    Full extension drawers at 90° door opening angle

    Gallon door bins

    Large capacity freezer drawer

    Filtered ice-maker

    SuperCool – Chills food quickly

    SuperFreeze – Freezes food quickly

    Sabbath mode

    Economy mode

    Vacation mode

    Door open alarm

    ENERGY STAR® Qualified

    19.6 Cu. Ft.

    SubZero 36” French Door Specs:

    36″ French Door Refrigerator Bi36ufd/s/tH

    21.0 Cu. Ft

    Dual refrigeration system ensures the freshest food and energy efficiency

    Electronic microprocessor constantly monitors entire unit to ensure proper food storage environment

    Air purification system reduces odors, bacteria, viruses and ethylene gas

    Advanced water filtration system

    Illuminated touch control panel

    Bright interior lighting throughout, including storage drawer area

    Adjustable spill-proof glass shelves, door shelves and dairy compartments

    Soft-close crisper and deli drawers form a lower temperature zone ideal for produce and meats

    Easy-access flip-up grille

    Full-extension, roll-out freezer drawer

    Max ice feature increases production for a 24-hour period

    Dual Compressors

    For years (actually, decades) Sub-Zero was pretty much the only game in town that offered two compressors was SubZero. What is the advantage of a variable speed dual compressor system? Aside from being more energy efficient, it prevents air exchange between the refrigerator and freezer. This means that the system does not have to work as hard as air does not have to be moved throughout the entire chassis by one system. Without dry freezer air meeting the warmer fridge air you don’t promote exchange of flavor and odors from one section to the other. So for example your ice cubes or ice cream won’t taste like last night’s Chicken Tikka Masala leftovers.

    Style

    Most customers (especially ones who opt to use custom panels) are installing flush inset refrigerators which are flush with cabinetry. Sub-Zero offers a flush install, but it will leave a gap around the door. You also need to bring the cabinets out to 26 3/16ths for a flush install.

    Thermador is an integrated refrigerator, so it is completely seamless to the cabinets for a flush and custom look.

    Pricing

    Thermador 36” french door fridge with pre-assembled stainless panels, pro handles – $7999 UMRP

    Subzero BI36UFD/S/PH, 36” fridge in stainless, pro handels – $10,370 MSRP

    Origin

    Sub Zero refrigerators are manufactured in Madison, Wisconsin and Phoenix, Arizona.

    Thermador refrigerators are currently produced in Turkey but there are plans afoot to bring production to the United States in the next few years.

    Warranty and Service

    Thermador offers a limited two-year warranty, entire appliance, parts and labor on any part of the refrigerator that fails because of a manufacturing defect

    SubZero also offers a 2 year warranty. Service for the fridges is important and overlooked fact. Sub-Zero is the gold standard in the appliance industry when it comes to customer service, which makes the high price tags more palatable. As I’ve told customers countless times, when you buy a Sub-Zero in some ways it is like you are joining a club that is focused on serving customers. From the way friendly way they answer the phone (and in a timely manner!) and the expedient way that service is coordinated and parts are handled, it truly is a stark difference from dealing with service issues with many other appliance companies.

    Depending on where you live, Thermador offers factory service (the technicians are typically versed in Thermador and their sister company Bosch). Service is well represented throughout the contiguous United States and in major metropolitan areas there are also typically numerous independent service companies available as well.

    The Verdict

    Both Thermador and Sub-Zero make stellar products. You’ll pay more for the Sub-Zero but with that price tag you are receiving a product built along the lines of a tank and which offers incomparable service. Thermador’s french door fridge is compelling as well, especially if considering a Thermador package, which would qualify you for a Thermador hood and a savings of several thousand dollars on your package.

    When we sell these I rarely, if ever, hear about post-purchase issues. The only negative comments I every hear is that people feel that the SubZero is very expensive and that Consumer Reports does not rate them highly (which is a very flawed comment unto itself), and on the Thermador side people who are shorter complain that the top shelf is too high (remember, Thermador’s compressor is on the bottom which elevates the shelves somewhat). Aside from those comments, people buy these in droves and are very, very happy post-purchase.

    If you have any further questions about Sub Zero or Thermador french door refrigeration please visit us at Curto’s or call us at 914-793-5600.

    New Sub-Zero Refrigerators: Integrated Series

    Written by Appliance Dude | June 21st, 2013

    Following up on last night’s mini-riff, we are about to be hit with a tidal wave of game-changing new product from Sub-Zero / Wolf. We started talking about the new integrated refrigeration (currently known as the 700-series) which will be rolling out shortly. Big changes are:
    – the inclusion of air/water filtration
    – low temp/high humidity crisper drawers
    – more widths! 18″ 24″ 30″ 36″

    With the inclusion of the 18″ and 24″ Sub-Zero is squarely placing itself in the NYC or other metro market where kitchen space is scarce and at a premium. Until now, their dominance was felt primarily in new construction which is equipped with larger kitchens that could handle a 36-42-48 fridge. Now, we have availability and flexibility to go with different sizes.

    Hey, they’re even trying to make things EASIER on the planning side as they’ve introduced an online panel configuration tool.

    And check out the Integrated refrigeration installation videos…everything your contractor or cabinet person would need is here. No one can ever say they weren’t prepared for an install with this content available. Bravo Sub-Zero for demystifying this process!

    SubZero and Wolf Appliances: New Stuff!

    Written by Appliance Dude | June 20th, 2013

    Fresh out of a meeting with the Wolf-SubZero crew today. Man, they are just pressing forward with new product, full throttle. Exciting time to be a dealer, so many new, industry-bending things coming soon.

    Check out what their leader, Jim Bakke (founder’s grandson, hell yes we love family businesses!)

    “During the last several years, our company has invested resources into the research and development of products that build on what we’ve successfully brought to market in the past,” said Jim Bakke, president and CEO of Sub-Zero and Wolf. “We didn’t let the recession stop us – quite the opposite, in fact. We wanted our brands to be ready for the turnaround, and to deliver more integration and more exciting features that wow consumers and the design community alike.”

    So the turnaround is here, and products are starting to roll. We saw the reworked gas range a few months ago, next up is the simply fly next generation of integrated refrigeration which will replace most of what we know today as the 700-series.
    This is where you go if you want a sleek, flush, CLEAN look. And here’s the rub – one of the prominent features that separated the Bi-series and the integrated series – no air/water filters – will no longer be a difference as they are adding them to the integrated series.

    PICS TO COME

    Deciding Between a SubZero Bi36 or a 736TCI

    Written by Appliance Dude | June 10th, 2013

    Now that Sub-Zero is offering a flush inset option on their built-series the question pops up as to what the difference is between the 736TCI 36″ and the Bi36.
    Let’s take a look at a few pics.

    This is a Sub-Zero 736TCI in stainless. Remember these fridges don’t come with fronts so the stainless handles and panels are additional.
     

    Sub-Zero 736TCI

    Sub-Zero 736TCI

    This is a SubZero Bi36 U/S. Note the space between the refrigerator door and the top where the compressor is.
     

    SubZero Bi36 Flush Inset

    SubZero Bi36 Flush Inset

    So let’s break down the differences/pluses/minuses:

    Buy the BI36 if:

      You want more efficiently laid out refrigeration space. It offers 16.4 in the fridge whereas the 736 offers 13.6
      Water and air filtration is important to you. The 700 series models currently don’t offer the filters

    Buy the 736TCI if:

      You want a true flush installation with minimal gaps – the space between the 736 and your adjacent cabinets is 1/8″ while the Bi36 is 1/2″. It’s a pretty dramatic difference – some customers have opted to go with the 736 b/c they did not like the size of the space around the compressor on the built-in series.

    Getting Zen With Sub-Zero and Wolf

    Written by Appliance Dude | February 13th, 2013

    Have I lost my mind?

    Karate and jujitsu masters? The Toyota system? Zen?

    What do they have to do with the good folks in Wisconsin who drive the Sub-Zero and Wolf train?

    More than the eye may behold.

    It’s all about the discipline of improvement

    Watch now and get schooled!


    .

    SubZero Pro48 Refrigerator – Analyzing a Sale

    Written by Appliance Dude | September 4th, 2012

    Today we had a couple come in from Westchester County and purchase a Sub-Zero Pro48 refrigerator.
    It’s always interesting to watch the sales process unfold when someone purchases one of these
    refrigerators. Think about it: they are more expensive than some cars, they take up considerable space in a kitchen and the process of delivering one is, well, a process, to say the least.

    This couple had done some preliminary research but came in needing to be guided. One of the first questions was – how does this fridge differ from the BI48, Sub-Zero’s other 48″ offering, which comes in at about $7000 less. The make and construct of the two refrigerators are like apples and oranges. The shelving materials and lighting are different, the doors are polar opposites (the Pro48’s are much thicker), the Pro48 offers a glass door option, the legs are different…and those are some of the more obvious differences.

    Ultimately if you are considering the purchase of a Pro48 there are many considerations which need to be taken into account, with spacing being one of the more important ones. We will typically send someone out to survey someone’s kitchen to make sure that the fridge is not only going to fit into the hole but can the refrigerator be delivered on site without any modifications.

    Delivering a Sub-Zero Fridge in NYC: All About the Compressor

    Written by Appliance Dude | August 14th, 2012

    If you live in NYC in a pre-war building and own a Sub-Zero refrigerator, odds are that you have encountered the delivery issues posed by the fridge’s compressor (the device at the top of the refrigerator which compresses gas formed in the evaporator – crucial to fridge’s operation). For those who are considering a first-time purchase of a Sub-Zero and you live in a pre-war apt or one that doesn’t offer an elevator more than 84″ in height, welcome to the club, you need your compressor removed!

    The typical delivery/installation of a “comp-off” Sub-Zero in NYC is as follows.

    1. Your address is checked against SubZero database of addresses requiring comp-off services. Or, a survey is performed to inspect your building’s elevator and route to your apartment.

    2. Sub-Zero is delivered with comp-off by trucking company. The fridge needs to be left outside it’s hole and must have 3ft of space on each of four sides.

    3. Sub-Zero sends third party technician to place the compressor back on the unit. THEY DO NOT ATTACH WATER OR INSTALL THE FRIDGE.

    4. Sub-Zero truckers or your contractor installs new Sub-Zero.

    Of course if you have an existing Sub-Zero that needs to be removed that complicates the process further b/c that compressor must be removed as well on-site.
    No one said it was easy!!